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Post 260

Tuesday, March 29, 2005 - 9:51pmSanction this postReply
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Good grief! I've been away for a couple of days, and now I can't keep up.

Let me say that the term I used about Rick's post is one -- believe it or not -- that I have never in my life used before. But when we are talking about human lives, innocent, helpless human lives, I take that very, very seriously. I considered letting it go, but decided that I could not do so. And I did not want to honor the post with an argument, as though it required one. So, . . you see what I did instead.

If this be treason. . . .

Barbara

Post 261

Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 2:33pmSanction this postReply
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I have been reconsidering my post to Rick Posotto, and I want to apologize for it.

Rick, I realize that my post was a condemnation of YOU, not just of the post you wrote that I consider highly offensive. But you are more than the content of a single post. I hope you will accept my apology.

Barbara

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Post 262

Monday, April 4, 2005 - 8:22amSanction this postReply
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Clarence wrote:

I don't give a damn if it was an accident, if the women decides to have the child then it is his responsibility to, at the very least, split the cost.
I guess you believe in involuntary servitude then.

If the pair coupled for pleasure, not to bear a child, then the woman's insistence on birthing a child is a breach of contract.  It is entrapment and enslavement.


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Post 263

Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 8:14amSanction this postReply
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Rick,

Sorry this has taken so long, but I had to look over nearly 300 posts on two different threads first.

I said (elsewhere) that non-care of a child is assaulting that child. That care as "gifts" is ludicrous. That that is like saying that my not assaulting you is a "gift."

You replied that "What is ludicrous is equating action with non-action."

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Okay. If I kidnap you that's an assault on you by me. If I leave you in chains in my basement without food or water and you die that's murder, even though after I put you there my actions in respect to you were non-actions.

Now if a third party put you into such a state and I come upon you and do not take action to rescue you, that is non-action. I contend that my non-action makes me an accomplice to the original crime and your subsequent death.

I have the sole custody of my baby boy and I go off and leave him in the house and he dies because I left him, is that non-action on my part--not giving him "gifts" to keep him alive?

The baby has a right to life. The baby cries for his sustenance, taking what action he can to get that. I ignore his cries and he dies. Did I not violate his right to life?

--Brant


(Edited by Brant Gaede on 6/15, 12:19pm)


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Post 264

Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 12:17pmSanction this postReply
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Post 265

Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 5:53pmSanction this postReply
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Rick? Rick?

--Brant


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Post 266

Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 6:54pmSanction this postReply
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 Commitments-Obligations-Owed
   
Case 1:

     They 'do it.' She gets herpes. He gets gonorrhea.

     What does he owe her? What does she owe him?

     He owes her any and all financial help re any physical-cum-medical complications to her inevitably resulting from their consensual actions.
     She owes him any and all financial help re any physical-cum-medical complications to him inevitably resulting from their consensual actions.

Case 2:

     They 'do it.' She gets pregnant. He gets...told.

     What does he owe her? What does she owe him?

     He owes her...see above; but, read it carefully.
     She owes him...nothing.

Case 2a:

     She decides that she wants to carry to term. He decides 'nope.'

     Her choice about how/when/where to deal with her medical situation, for whatever her reasons is not properly claimable by anyone to be open to debate; his obligation to help her get through her choice of how to handle it is exactly that: an obligation.

     In short, she has all (moral) 'rights' in deciding about this. He (nor anyone else...unless she's a 'minor') has none, since he 'committed' to risking whatever inevitable consequences of his actions with her resulted. He therefore has no place to claim a right to demand she abort if she does not wish to...for whatever her 'reasons.'

     Keep in mind, however, that her choice,  is not an inevitability (else, it's not meaningfully called a 'choice').

     The fetus is 'born'; it acquires a consciousness and now, thereby, becomes a child/baby...by her choice.

     His obligations to her are now fulfilled.

     Her obligations to the child have just begun.

     What obligations does he have/owe to the child? The same that he had to the zygote: None. --- Unless and until he so 'commits' himself to being obligated to it.
      I'll leave it to others just how that should be defined/decided/recognized...by whatever criteria. Such is a topic for another, separate thread.




     Notice that I never used the ambiguous term 'responsibility' or that worse one 'duty.' I suggest that all who consider my post stick to the terminology I used: Commitment-Obligation-Owe. Mainly because, on the bottom line, that's all we're really talking about.

     Notice also I referred to no 'laws' or 'legal prescription'. I suggest all avoid such to keep things simple; this mainly because the moral perspective (which all above is in terms of my answering) has to be straightened out before one decides what the laws should require (re 'obligations') of any of the parties of the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd part.

There's my $2 (jeez, these posts are expensive lately)
LLAP
J:D

(Edited by John Dailey on 10/18, 7:08pm)


Post 267

Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 8:37pmSanction this postReply
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yeah - two cents doesn't get you what it used to...

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